The risk of Obama rapture

Wilfred,

Maslow was noted for his heiarchy of needs that also explains why some would support a person who functions on a much lower level of intelligence because that is the only level they can identify with. Even after Columbus returned from his trip there were those that still would bet their lives that the world was flat. The greatest fear of man is the unknown. Like the WW2 correspondent Ernie Pyle said, "It's not the things you don't know that makes you a fool, it is the things you know that ain't so". Unfortunely America tends to gather around the flag of war more than the concept of peace. I agree that the only tool McCain has to counteract Obamas vision of what could be is the "Hammer" we need to combat an enemy. Many still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destuction and were responsible for 9/11. In the meantime while we are so bogged down fighting this created enemy, those that really attacked us are still alive and well in other Countries.

"Many still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destuction"

Ummm, well that would be because we know they did. Watching him use them in his own country I'd say is fairly substantial proof. Finding chemical traces in abandoned buildings I'd say is even more substantial proof. Finding 38 jets buried in the desert primed to carry weapons which were no longer attached is fairly substantial proof. Even if we didn't find all the evidence later showing that they existed and had been moved off to who knows where, we saw the results of him setting them off in his own country. You can't get much more proof than visually witnessing the results. I thought we were long past the argument that for some reason people believed there were no WMD's.

They choose to ignore the facts of yellow cake being found in Iraq, but apparartly find materials that assist in building nuclear weapons is either not newsworthy or they think its a lie.

beckwolf and formersgt -

iraq did at one point have nuclear, chemical, and biological aspirations. what we are finding now is a part of that past, as indicated by the locations, quality, and dismantled nature of these items such as chemical residues and yellowcake. no one has doubted that iraq once intended to utilize these things. the issue at hand is the fact that all of these programs were, in fact, suspended when the iraqi's said they were. our current ongoing occupation of iraq was predicated upon the notion that the iraqi's did not, in fact, suspend their efforts. the yellowcake, the witnessing of past atrocities... yes, these are all a reflection of efforts prior to the first gulf war. thus, using them to bolster support for an invasion 10 years later is a little dubious.

Reading these articles regarding Nobama's trip overseas is like reading fiction...People you need to understand that the pages this crap is written on is controlled by the far left which supports Nobama.
This vacation overseas that this coconut has taken and spent millions on is a farce and it does nothing to make him look like presidential material...he is talking out of both sides of his face and his ass and already trying to change history by not owning up to the words he has said in the recent past...WAKE THE @!$%# UP...He is a politician and that is it...No History of strength for doing anything for our country, wannabe...Beware of the smiling face this guy makes the White House...We all get bit.
McCain is the safer bet with way more experience in government and war. So what if he is 72...Damn, that is not old in this day and age...how @!$%#ing stupid is it to say he is not right for the job because of his age...
Oh Ya lets not forget how un-patriotic Nobama is...Wake the @!$%# up...If you vote for Nobama you are a communist...
Hey, I gotta question...Whats green and sit on my porch??

Do any of you pro Nobama's know "The Pledge Of Allegiance To The Flag Of The United States Of America"???
When was the last time you said it??

DragonRider1,

Hey, I gotta question...Whats green and sit on my porch??

Here's a tip, you lose all credibility for logical debate when you post part of a racist joke.

"McCain is the safer bet with way more experience in government and war"

how is he a safer bet dragon? he wants to keep us at war for the next decade, has many times over proved he is a hot head, and openly admits he doesn't know much about econmics. how long can you keep riding this, 'he was a POW' line?

"So what if he is 72...Damn, that is not old in this day and age..."

the average life expectancy is 78 for americans. so going with the average, he'll be dead in 6 years. i don't really want my president making funeral arragements during his term

"Oh Ya lets not forget how un-patriotic Nobama is"

and bush and his band of buddies are all for this country...

"If you vote for Nobama you are a communist..."

i love this one, the 2 year-old argument. if you don't agree with me, then you are stupid! you don't even know what communism is, you just heard about it once in high school before you fell asleep.

then you throw out a racist joke. beautiful.

Yeah, he's so popular because in front of 200,000 spectators he bashed our country by apologizing for" not being perfect and struggling to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all our people" AND "OUR ACTIONS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO OUR BEST INTENTIONS". Now if he loves America so much should be spew these inappropriate comments to foreigners. What about all the aid and assistance the hard working people give in taxes just to help victims of national disasters? What about aid to starving countries? etc. Obama, what about us? You should "never turn your back on the hand who feed you." Oh yes, he'll make a great president.

Kevin, your comment was cute but oh so ignorant. Let's see, there was WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Lend Lease, The Marshall Plan, Japanese Reconstruction, the Cold War, the Berlin Air Rescue, etc., etc., etc., What you fail to understand is that American dislike overseas has everything to do with green envy and nothing to do with American policy which has done everything to promote World Peace and well being for as long as we've been a leader in the world. I've heard Ambassador Holbrook in his arrogance having been an Ambassador to Germany suggest that there isn't an inherent dislike of American overseas, but there is an inherent dislike for its current President. Well, I've been traveling Europe and the Far East since the late 70's and there has always been a dislike of America primarily because they think we're arrogant and promoting American hegemony. Maybe so. I guess when you're number one, some of that shows through. My point is, that we don't have allies because they like us. We have them because they need us. And, we've paid for their alliance with American blood and treasure. Oh, and the reason Obama comes across so well, isn't because of his equanimity, it has to do with his perceived malleability. So, get a clue. You ought to understand also that the President of the United States has one and only one overwhelming responsibility and that is the welfare of this country even though that may involve the welfare and stability of another whether that country likes it or not.

the President of the United States has one and only one overwhelming responsibility and that is the welfare of this country even though that may involve the welfare and stability of another whether that country likes it or not.

I voted for GW, the first time. I sincerely regret it. The man has proven to be an ass, and that is being charitable. While I have my doubts about Obama, I have to say that I agree with him about American missteps. The republican party is no longer conservatives, it is a bunch of doormats doing the bidding of Israel. So I am thinking I may vote democrat, because the democrats are the conservatives now.

1. Attacking Iraq was not conservative. We had a handle on the region that was better with Saddam in power. He was a bastard, but so what? There's bastards all over the yard. Containing Iran was simple with him in power. Now we have Iran's Shias poised to take over in Iraq when we leave.

2. Spending a trillion dollars on a war we didn't have to wage wasn't conservative, it was idiotic. For that price, we could rebuild every school in America, give computers and textbooks to every school, pay all teachers well and pay for university 4 year degree for everyone who wanted to go. We could also have put two colonies of 50 people on Mars.

3. Not pursuing Osama bin Laden into Pakistan wasn't conservative, it was just stupid. Of course Musharraf had to oppose that publicly, but he would secretly be relieved if we had gone in there and scorched the earth. Now, 7 years after 9-11, we are a goddam laughng stock over there, Al Qaeda has regrouped, and we have all out troops keeping order in Iraq.

So, yes - it is the role of the president to take care of the USA. And you know what that imbecile is doing (along with the imbeciles in Congress)? In the worst economic downturn since 1929, that idiot is spending $50 billion on saving infants born to mothers with AIDS in Africa. And those kids will almost all end up as orphans creating crime and becoming child soldiers.

Sorry, gentlemen, while I may vote for a conservative, it isn't likely to be some nearly doddering old man using Henry Kissinger as an adviser on foriegn policy. I am probably going to vote democrat this time around because the republicans are not the party I thought it was. They are a bunch of old men who can't think straight and young fools who never had any brains to begin with.

superlogi -- You don't seem to understand that having allies that actually respect us is part of the welfare of this country. And when other countries look at the Iraq war unfavorably, as the majority of Americans do, it has nothing to do with envy. You think that because America is powerful it has the right to seek worldwide hegemony and other countries are just supposed to shut up. The idea that an American president having understanding and respect for the rest of the world will be a detriment to the US is absurd. Like Wilfred of Ivanhoe says, some people believe military force is the only solution to every problem.

Pancha. Lighten up! The US is NOT perfect, and the last 8 years of Bush/Cheney has turned our former allies and supporters against us. They resent the arrogance and the ignorance that all of this administration has shown about the realities of the world. The Bush appointed ambassador to Germany is widely disliked by the Germans because he is a representative of Bushthink--arrogant, ignorant and a bully. Obama stated what the Europeans already know. We are not perfect. We have some fences to mend with the rest of the world. Not just in Europe either. Being kneejerk defensive is immature, and it will get you nowhere.

Oldguru, you don't think Obama is arrogant,going around the world displaying his elitist attitude, He needs to come back to America and deliver those insulting negative comments to 200,000 of his fans. Lets see how much applause he'll get. You are the immature- blind sighted arrogant democrat - just like Obama. Get a grip and wake up!

Like you I am an independent. You acutally lean Republican & I lean Democratic. What would have happened if the government had not established a minimum wage? This country was far better off in the 90's when we had a strong middle class & people actually made enough money to participate in the economy. To manufacture & provide a service & be successful, you must have customers & clients. The more jobs that pay a living wage, the more successful business is and all because of the numbers of transactions versus making more from single transactions. Are we to become like the middle ages when the wealthy ruled & the "slaves" were treated like chattel? We were also better off when it was "made in America". We weren't "poisoning" ourselves, our products had better quality & the world loved the "made in America" manufactured goods. Hand it to the rich & powerful that changed all that. "The rich get richer & the poor get poorer, in the mean time, in between time, ain't we got fun". A line from an old song of the 40's. I remember it still from childhood. An old throwback from the great depression.

"Now if he loves America so much should be spew these inappropriate comments to foreigners."

Since when did the truth become "inappropriate"? Was it when Nixon was elected? Reagan? George Bush?

"It would be nice to have allies again, especially if we didn't have to buy them... " It would be nice to have allies, real allies such as support from a nation's government, not just the civilians who never get to talk to the leaders. Obama has support from the civilians, but very little from the governments of those allied nations. He can have hundreds of thousands of civilian fans from around the world, but without the support of those nations and their governments, that support doesn't accomplish ANYTHING. Even as he had crowds swooning over him, those very nations had their governments denouncing strong support for him, meaning that he is failing when it comes to obtaining the support that he actually needs to not just become the President, but to be even remotely effective. McCain doesn't need cheering masses, he needs governmental support, which is why he has been much quieter than Obama. He has been meeting with government leaders around the world, not those civilians who just bring votes but can't instigate change or establish alliances. Let Obama travel around the world, sure. He's making pointless stops, but it's his right. But an intelligent man would at least spend a bit of time trying to win over the governments themselves that have thus far majority wise not shown a high level of support. He's pandering for votes by looking for media attention with cheering crowds, while ignoring almos ALL of the people he should be meeting. Civilian supporters do not bring allied nations, only government support creates allied nations.

JamesB....Michelle's comments are a Black woman's reflection of what this country still dishes out to us. If you aren't Black then you willnever understand. The pride she speaks is the fact that this country appeared to be ready to select a president without regarding race. However, we are seeing that's not going to happen. Obama is a breath of fresh air. Because he hasn't had alot of experience in Washington there is hope that maybe he is not as tainted as the rest of them. To say that this young man is not ready is crazy. If every person stepping out on a whim to do something out of the ordinary felt that way we wouldn't have Microsoft, Federal Express or McDonalds. Everything has a first time.

Hey Bob, Nixon, Reagen or Bush? I think you forgot the most important weak minded President of the last 100 years, that would be Jimmy Carter. But again, the fact that you spew hatred about Repulicans shows your inability to look at a larger picture instead of what the mainstream media feeds you. All the mainstream media are blasting everything good about Obama just because they "want to feel that they were part of something bigger" as oppossed to looking at America's future and what would be important.

Good luck in November, if your voting for change just for the sake of change. Just remember if he (Obama) does get elected and he hicks the taxes on the rich (who pay 90% of the taxes anyway) and they choose not to spend their money anymore and the economy fails on a mass level....you can thank yourselves for voting yes for Nobama.

John Toradze: very well said I could not agree with you more. I am also a conservative but former republican voted the first term for this village idiot and have regretted it since.
Bush and his dream team of old tyrants have led us down the path of death and destruction and driven the country into debt. Every evening when I see the new names of our brave soldiers killed in action I can't help but curse these gang of thugs I helped get elected.
I may not vote republican for years to come. I know McCain and what he represents and where he wants to lead us and I much rather take a "road less traveled" and vote for Obama. I will know at least what I am not choosing. 1-We don't need a bully in the White House.
2-We don't need another war at the behest of our so called best friends in Iran.
3-We don't need any more Abu Ghraibs and gitmos.
4-We don't need another term with no solution to the Israeli/Palestine issue.
5-We need to reevaluate our foreign policy and choose who we call friends more carefully.
6-We need to reestablish alliances with our old Allys.
7-One size fits all "you are wit us or agin us" is bullying not diplomacy.

I gladly pay a little more in taxes and sleep with a clear conscience then go monetarily and morally bankrupt forcing our bases where we are not wanted. Enough already. It's time we returned sanity to the White House.

I am a registered independent I am am NOT voting for an inexperienced senator who has the ability to inspire 200K anti war protesters who hate America. Nice speech but there was not one person at that speech that I would entrust my families safety and well being.

JamesB

There sure was alot of waving American flags in that crowd. I'm glad many do not share your opinion.

So the GOP argues that the best way to ensure peace is through war...and they're backed by the uneducated voters.

Go figure.

Once again it's so easy to stereotype as racists, "...less well educated, blue collar workers, living on less than $50,000/year." Many of these people tend to vote for Republicans because they served in the military. They fall for the "patriotic" line that Republicans so often employ. McCain is a very old war hero and for some an experienced commander in chief so they will vote for him. It's sad. But they aren't all dumb, poor, red-neck, hillbillies, that are racists. To run them down does nothing to open up their minds.

Well, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson were all Democrats.

I've always found it interesting that liberals are the first to cling to class-distinctions and racial stereotypes when it is convenient for them. How does a college-education make your opinions on who should be president and what his foreign policy should be, better than the opinions of a blue-collar worker? Just because they chose a different path in life doesn't mean they are of below-average intelligence. I'm scared of any one who would vote for Obama just because of his race and heritage.

Also . . diplomacy has its place, but when it fails you had better have a strong military in place to "ensure peace"

Unfortunately, today college educated means marxist, left-wing, liberal indoctrinated.

Clearly, you havenot attend college. Just because it is called "liberal arts" does not mean that it is left wing indoctrination. The reason to go to college is to BROADEN your mind and to explore many points of view. It is supposed to teach you to THINK, and to REASON. The CEO's of the greedy corporations are all college educated. GWB has a college degree. That must prove that college does not indoctrinate everyone, and that higher education is totally wasted on many who attend.

Sorry oldguru but I have been to college. I have multiple degrees but that's no big deal. I have just been able to rise above the indoctrination. You should try it.

James B, It is estimated that 25,000 of the people in that "anti-American crowd of protesters" were members of the US Military stationed in Europe. So, unfortunately for you, you do trust the safety of yourself and your family to them every single day. It was nice to see a crowd of Europeans cheering and waving the US flag for a change, rather than burning our president in effigy. Obama not only looks presidential but he is presidential. In January, he will be president, and if you would like, you can go somewhere else to live, however Europe is out, since they are anti-American. Maybe you can go somewhere that doesn't like Obama, like, I don't know, . . . Crawford Texas? That's where the rest of the neo-con brain trust is hanging out these days. Just sayin'

You know, I am so damned sick of those types of stratifications.

Hillary CLinton voters are blue collar workers, with high school diplomas...

Barack Obama's supporters are college graduates.... and now the latest...

So the GOP argues that the best way to ensure peace is through war...and they're backed by the uneducated voters.

I'm not even a Republican, and I'm riled up.

Since when is intelligence equated with having a degree? Some of the least intelligent people I know have a masters degree. Some of the least educated people I know are the most intelligent.

On the other side...an educated person is not an educated voter. I know doctors and accountants who have less knowledge of government and politics than my 4th grade daughter.

It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

Fazool,

Having been stationed in Germany for 2 years 15 years ago when there was a large sized force over there...I find it hard to believe that they could prove that there was that many soldiers there. "The press" has an informed opinion on who was there. What made them military, their haircuts, were they white or black...do people of different ethnic backgrounds not live in Germany? Did they have to show ID's to go there? What an ignorant statement you have made. I am assuming that the US Military was at the West Bank holding up Obama 08 signs when he was supposedly "Secretly" visiting. Oh wait, that must have been the Obama staff doing that...wait THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT. As for him being black...I could care less and it has no relevance on his failure to have qualifications. He is a man that is so far left on his voting record, he is further left than the self proclaimed socialist in the Senate. If he were to become President, dandy I will have to listen to him spew for 4 years and then he will get voted out.

Also, being prior service for 11 years, 8 years of hell with Clinton...I do not support him or any of his constiuents. Clintons cut in the Military to fund the projects he wanted decimated our Military. Everyone blamed Bush for the Military's woes, lets take a look at Clintons early out payment plan between 92-94 as well as the early retirement plan for senior non-commissioned officers that was in the same time frame. Don't spout on like you know something about the Military...Democrats hate the Military even though it is a necessity.

As for uninformed brain washed Americans that can listen to Nobama's crap, good luck in November...he will never win, when you poll in a Democrat area you will get the poll percentages that you are looking for.

But some who are voting for John Sidney McCain are basing it on HIS race and heritage.

James,

You keep telling us what you are not voting for, why not tell us what you are voting for. Post after post slams Obama as a way of supporting McCain or more than likely the Republican party. I would like to hear what qualities other than WAR that McCain is offering us.

"Why is it so "risky" to have a president you admire and respect?"

Because admiration and Hollywood swooning does not constitue ability or a capability to produce less than harmful policies, as proven by statements such as taxing the rich without trying to boost business growth first to keep their profit lines in check, and there being no negative recourse to the poor, despite history proving otherwise.

Lisa 392474....People make assumptions that the president should hav military experience or have held other govt positions in order to be president. I think that the person with the best ideas and abilty to work with people should be the best candidate. A person tat is likable around the world, has a strong decalration of what hhe/she says, makes sure decisions and sticks to them. An unswayable person. A good leade comands respect and trust.

Tiger

Thats an interesting statement all in itself, tell me when Obama has crossed the aisle and tried to work with other party members.

As for McCain (Begrudgingly) he has these and more:

McCain/Feingold
McCainLieberman
McCain/Kennedy

2 of those being the biggest Democrats in the Senate to pass Legislation that most Republican/Conservatives fought against extremely hard. He went against his party line to try and pass those. When has Obama done that.

jamesB - mccain supporters are quick to yell at dems for "voting against mccain, not for obama." your unwillingness to give one reason why you are voting FOR mccain but a big list of why you AREN'T voting for obama sounds like...wait for it...the EXACT SAME THING

but here's why i disagree with your list james:

people opposing the war does not equal people who hate america

obama's old preacher isn't the one running

michelle obama said "for the first time, i am REALLY proud of this country." and it was about looking past race. mccain himself said ""I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company." but let's not talk about that. (they're both obvious spins on what they were saying)

mccain wants to keep troops in iraq for another decade. you don't think he'll have to raise taxes for that? as if the national debt isn't ludacris as is

lack of experience in forign affairs. well if mccain is so versed in such a topic, how come he has to be told who's who over there? maybe once he figures that out he can work on what language they speak

what's mccain's plan for the energy crisis? hydro fuel cells, wind power, etc, there are many options available. not just drilling for oil. and gas prices aren't high because we're short on oil for crying out loud. so don't give me that

obama doesn't believe in capitalism? there's quite a difference between what this nation was based on and the big business, to the spoils go the CEO garbage

wealth envy. yeah. i'm voting for obama because of my hate for the people in power's money... it's more that i despise the notion that they are better than me because they have money and that they do absolutely nothing to improve those below them while abusing the power entrusted them to further their wealth. so if that's wealth envy, then yeah. i'm green with it

Did you see the ad the RNC put out on Michelle Obama saying "for the first time in her life she was proud of America"? Her lips did not match what she was saying. They clearly omitted the "REALLY" part. It looked like a Kung Fu movie.

awwwwwwwwww your just jealous no one singing a McCain song :)

That's scary!

JAMES THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL IN A HAND BAG AND IF OBAMA GETS IT ,HE WILL NEED A LIFE SENTENCE TO DO ALL HE HAS PROMISED, THE ONLY THING HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED IS TO LEAD THE BLIND SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER WITH HIS FLUFF. WHEN YOU SLAUGHTER A COW YOU LEAD HIM TO THE BIG BUCKET OF OATS, HE NEVER SEES THE KNIFE AT HIS THROAT HE JUST SEES THE BIG BUCKET OF OATS AND THE PROMISED GREAT FUTURE HE HAS COMING. WAKE UP AMERICA.

I would rather vote for something better than get stuck in the Bushes again!!!

"I would rather vote for something better than get stuck in the Bushes again!!!"

That's why I'm voting McCain. Business growth and support to lower consumer costs, not steal from the rich to lower profit margins and cause an increase in consumer costs for the rest of us to compensate, increasing the poverty level. Bush pandered enough, not providing the support needed and incentives for further research and development, and Obama takes that lack of support up several notches. I don't want to get stuck with what we have, and have it get worse, which is why I see Obama as a bad choice.

Alex James,

Be patient. Maybe you'll be able to have Obmination all to yourself one day. In the meantime,

When the Europeans are electing our president then I'll worry about the Europeans.

The only ones Obomination is fooling are those who are taken in by slickas- Magazine salesmen. Too bad we have so many naive citizens out there!

I still find it funny that in the last elections in France and Germany, they both picked conservative candidates. And since when did the Europeans all of the sudden become so good at politics that we should listen to their opinion on our candidates? Last time I checked, their politics have afforded them countless dictators and more revolutions and sweeping government changes than I care to count.

But speaking of Germany, the people in Obama must love him, because (borrowing this fact from another poster) his home state of illinois, with a 6.8% unemployment rate, is actually nearing Germany's 8%! Yes, lets listen to Europeans! I hate to break it to you, most europeans who have lived a portion of their life in America realize how much better our government functions.

As for Obama, he may be able to woo millions, but here is my viewpoint on him:
I'm tired of the "vision" and I'm ready for a plan.

awwwwwwwwww your just jealous no one singing a McCain song :)

Linda

Maybe they forgot the words.

Adolf Hitler Vladimir Lenin Joseph Stalin Georgy Malenkov Nikita Khrushchev Leonid Brezhnev Hu Yaobang Lev Davidovich Trotsky Karl Marx Saddam Hussein Do you want more???????????

You forgot

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela, Mohandes Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, Robert Kennedy, John F Kennedy among others.

Maybe they forgot the words.

He keeps changing them, so they got no chance.

james - there are numerous leaders with songs about them, some with tainted reputations such as the ones that you list and some with very positive reputations which you do not list. even ronald reagan has songs about him. just because you list some scary sounding negatives, your point doesnt mean anything. this is like pointing out all the people that have died on operating tables, while trying to implicate hospital tables as a killer. very weak, but ill give you a 1/10 for fear-mongering and xenophobia.

Obama has done absolutely nothing for this country. He deserves no songs, no accolades but he is certainly playing it up to foreigners. He acts as though they are the ones voting for him.

Let's see. On one of his commercials he says he got together with another senator and voted to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists. Does this pompous one actually think that by his "vote" that terrorists won't get their hands on nuclear weapons.

He may well turn out to be the "hospital table" you ramble on about.

No one can ever cite anything he has done or accomplished, his supporters can only say he represents "change". He has nothing to offer but a good speech from the teleprompter.

seems like you have a PC at home and u r smart enough to join in public discussions. So we refuse to babysit you and ask you to sit at ur PC and do more research and find out for yourself what he did so far. He has a lot of accomplishments, but you have to keep and OPEN-MIND about both the candidates...

Google his name and accomplishments, or do a "wikipedia" about him.

Obama has many accomplishments he "invents' a new one everyday, like the "My Committee' statement he make in the press confernce in Israel where he took credit for being on the banking commitee that he has nothing to do with.

There an accomplishment, LIE. Well I guess its "Politics as usual"

Republicans Sold America:
Another person who can't state anything he has done or accomplished! Your type are so boring! I don't have an open-mind about a socialist - sorry - no interest!

If you had been paying attention to anything besides the idiots on FAUX NOISE you might have learned that Obama spent years in the trenches in Chicago advocating for working people, not just African Americans. When you do that kind of work, you learn a lot about how the governmental system works, and how to deal with the powers that be to get them to consider your point of view. You do not do that by yelling at people and spitting in their faces. You do that by clear, focused conversation. You do not get respect or compliance at the point of a gun. Obama's experience thare led him to run for the Illinois Senate, where he could continue advocating for the working people. He has been extraordinarily effective in that persuit. The middle class, (ie the working people opf this country) are the strength of this democracy. If you destroy that middle class and make virtual slaves of these people, uyou no longer have a democracy at all. You have an oligarchy. This is what the Republicans have been working toward for years. They want to rule not only the US, but the entire world. Read about the Bush family history, and that of the Pierce family as well ( Bush's mother's family) You will understand what ELITE and ENTITLEMENT really is.

Why don't you stop talking or typing go to his website and discover that on your own. You would vote for a man because he was shot out of the air and held prisoner, I am sorry but I want the one who had enough sense not to get shot down! HELLO!!!

"If you had been paying attention to anything besides the idiots on FAUX NOISE you might have learned that Obama spent years in the trenches in Chicago advocating for working people, not just African Americans."

And what exactly did he advocate? What did he actually do besides saying that he spent years in the trenches advocating for working people? Yeah, I researched that little bit of history. Pushing to lower profit percentages for businesses that were already struggling, causing them to lay off workers and close buildings while increasing costs. Sure, there's something to be proud of. That's a piece of history that I can only imagine Obama wants to forget, it's a strong negative with regards to harmful Robin Hood economic reform stunts he's tried to pull which hurt the very people he claims it helps. Fox should really dig up that old dirt again, there's no way that it could help him. And yet you mention it as if it was a positive point in his life that us poor and middle class people should support him for. Attacking us by attacking others is still attacking us, it most definitely is NOT something that an Obama supporter should brag about, unless somehow giving speeches about helping the average worker and then pushing for reforms that cost them their jobs is by some weird stretch of reality actually a good thing.

oldguru, I agree with what you said here, but once again tell me about what he actually did. According to what statements I have read on these sites that do appear, Chicagoans do not think he has done anything for them. I have not once seen someone from that "town" that has had anything positive to say about his work there. What did he accomplish????! I keep asking but no one answers. Going to his "site" and reading what he says tells me nothing. I can "say" everything he says, but does that mean I will do it?

Good oratory is reflective of a keen intellect (i.e. Abraham Lincoln - the inexperienced Senator from Illinois who became president in a troubled time - and delivered what many believe to be one of the most important speeches of all time at Gettysburg). I have to laugh when I hear people trying to slime Obama on the grounds that his eloquent speeches are "just words". Many consider these words by Thomas Jefferson, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." to be the most important and eloquent ever written in the English language. But, of course, they're just words aren't they. The Constitution? Just words!

Conversely, just try to follow the oratory of George Bush. The problem will be quickly evident.

You do not get respect or compliance at the point of a gun. Obama's experience thare led him to run for the Illinois Senate, where he could continue advocating for the working people. He has been extraordinarily effective in that persuit. The middle class, (ie the working people opf this country) are the strength of this democracy.

"Extrordinarily effective"? Illinois unemployement rate is 6.8 percent way above the national average of 5.5 percent. Illinois is Number 10 this quarter according to realty trac in foreclosures.

With Obama watching out for the middle class like that in Illinois just think what he can do for the whole country? Maybe the middle class doesnt want Obama's brand of help. We cant afford it!

Candace - Again, no time for a socialist. A socialist doesn't have anything worthwhile to say to a true American!

And "I want the one who had enough sense not to get shot down! HELLO!!! ". Kind of a dumb statement as he never served!

I want the one who had enough sense not to get shot down! HELLO!!! ". Kind of a dumb statement as he never served!

I believe the moron was talking about MCCain, and to respond to the moron, your complete ineptitude towards combat actions of any kind other than what they show on CNN and the History Channel is obvious. You probably with have to google what a SAM is which is what shot him down. That would not be the reason that I am voting for him, but it shows character and the ability to overcome a bad situation with patience obvious patriotism. Just to mention patriotism I was wondering why after 2 years on the campain trail for Nobama he all of a sudden started wearing a US Flag lapel pin.

No, I am afraid that you are mistaken, they hated America and Bush, now like the rest of the world and America we see hope outta of these dirty Bushes and we are ready, I suggest you get ready!!!

Why, so they won't see the limp-dicked liberals hanging from the telephone poles?

Ingvy,

I assume that you are a Democrat who have attempted to push more pork-barrel funding through legislation. The cleanest Congress in History that has done less in 2 years than and other Congress in History also being the ONLY congress to ever have ehld a single digit approval rating. When you say something do it, don't say something to get the votes and even if McCain loses at least he can stand by what he says and doesn't change his opinions like Nobama does whenever a new poll comes out. If he does change his opinion (McCain) at least he is man enough and has enough character to say yes, I was wrong.

Silly person, to suggest such a thing is a criminal act assuming anyone would take a gutless creep like yourself seriously.

Are we trying to say that ALL the Europeans are stupid, backward, terrorists, ugly, and the worst people on this earth. So if they like Obama, then Obama must also be like them. Is that the kind of "doubt" they are referring to?

You've pretty much go it there. Also you may want to add, "and they hate America for it's freedom" and/or "hate America for it's success."

If you had actually read the article and not just the first line you would've figured it out. He is more concerned with his popularity overseas so its safe to assume he'd put America's best interest on the back burner. We are supposed to be voting for an American president not the president of the UN, or the EU for that matter.

RSA-You are smart you have a PC why should anyone babysit you and answer your question? Go to google look up your question and find out for yourself....

Phil-346082
Touche'

Exactly!!!

REPUBLICAN SOLD AMERICA- I AM CONFUSED ON THAT ISSUE MYSELF, I WOULD THINK THAT ANY CANIDATE SHOULD BE LIKED BY ALL TO MAKE ANY KIND OF PROGRESS WHILE IN OFFICE ESPECIALLY WITH FOREIGN LEADERS. BUT I HAVE SEEN VIDEO WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEIGENCE BEING STATED AND OBAMA DID NOT COVER HIS HEART AND WHEN THE LORDS PRAYER WAS BEING STATED HE DID NOT BOW HIS HEAD, THIS MAKES ME WONDER WHERE HIS ALLIEGENCE REALLY IS. THIS WAS IN THE BEGINING BEFORE ALL OF THE BAD MEDIA. AND TO ATTEND A CHURCH THAT TEACHES RACISM, AGAINST THE PEOPLE DUE TO THEIR COLOR. IF HE WAS SO AGAINST IT WHY DID HE ATTEND THE CHURCH FOR SO LONG, YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST HE HAD HEARD THE MESSAGE TAUGHT BY THE REVEREND WRIGHT. IS THIS REALLY A CANIDATE WHO WILL LOOK OUT FOR THE INTEREST OF ALL THE PEOPLE? AND ARE MOST OF HIS SUPPORTERS GOING FOR HIM DUE TO HIS COLOR? I AM STILL IN NEUTRAL, I DON'T LIKE MCCAIN, ENOUGH OF THE BUSH CRAP, BUT I WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE WITH THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY NOT RACE. AND BY THE COUNTRY MEANS ALL PEOPLE, NO MORE FREEBIES BECAUSE OF MY RACE, COME HERE EARN IT HERE.

I believe that being popular with Europeans and being good for America are not mutually exclusive. Apparently we've effectively made enough of the US citizenry believe that line of isolationist crap..

yeah, that's a horrible argument. maybe the european's like him because he isn't the arrogent trigger happy moron that they're use to over here. the very fact that all of you that support this article are basically saying that the europeans are evil/bad/lesser whatever is exactly why they don't like us. god forbid our president promoted some forign policy that didn't involve blowing the piss out of the other country...

florida_kes,

You must not know much about Europeans. Why, you may not be able to point a country in Europe on a map when you're asked to do so! Just to show you example how culturally civilized Europe is: When I went there last december, in a major European airport I was amazed the way they handled everything politely and professionally. When I came to major American Airport they couldn't even speak clearly to be understood, they herded us like cattle. After living here so long I thought this is the norm! How pleasantly I was surprised! I wonder what's the difference? You figure!! It may be that Americans have outsourced even their culture, and replaced it with cheep labor...And Europeans don't hate America for her freedom, because they have freedom of their own, but they don't fluff it around like dumb birds and boast about it. Not that I'm saying American people do that , but I have seen more peacock feather fluffing in this administration then any other, and yet is all full of hot air...And as for success ... well, whatever success there was in the past is being shipped out and devoured by corporate vultures, so there isn't much to brag about, is it?

"is up to the people to turn this country around. It is up to us to do away with "special Interest" and realize that we have common interest in this Country and we need to be working together instead of being divided."

You do realize that this is a key part of Obama's campaign strategy, right? People with common goals working together to effect change in this country. No lobbyists, no special interests - people working together. It's how he won the Democratic primaries.

Perhaps it's time that you woke up.

The Reverend Wright references continue to blow me away, he probably is upset with America and may well be correct to feel that way. Judging from the man's age he came up in the 50's and 60's when blacks were fully second class citizens. Separate bathrooms, water fountains, couldn't sit at the lunch counter when all the while our country says "all men are created equal".

Tell me that anyone who had been treated that way, as a 2nd class citizen, would not have the right to be angry about it. I can certainly see that his upbringing was different than mine as a simple white suburban child, my mother still whisper's the word "black" when speaking about someone of color. One of my great loves for this country is the opportunties I was afforded to, maybe Wright didn't get to see that America.

These times were not all that long ago people, if it had happened to you you may feel a little differently too. I would argue that Reverend Wright doesn't hate America but more so hates the way America treated him - I think he should have the leeway to be somewhat ticked off about it.

Simply because Obama attended the mans church doesn't mean he has to share the views anymore than anyone attending a Catholic church should be considered a possible child molestor.

You do realize that this is a key part of Obama's campaign strategy, right? People with common goals working together to effect change in this country. No lobbyists, no special interests - people working together. It's how he won the Democratic primaries.

Common interests like Obamas ties to the ethanol Lobby, the fact his campaign and advisers are top heavy with ex Clinton people and the old guard of Washington?

He's definitely ignoring special interest by not even being "intersted" enough to show up to vote in the Senate. He is NUMBER 3 in terms of most missed votes , he'd be number 2 except for the senator who had an aneurysm, Sad thing is McCain is number 1. Its amazing that the people who do the least amount of work want to be rewarded with a higher paying job. Pay me a senators salary of 169,300 a year for what is essentially a part time job and I'll be there every day!
But then if Obama doesn't vote he has no record for us to judge him by. Great credentials!

We have no good choices this year

No lobbyists, no special interests - people working together. It's how he won the Democratic primaries.

You might want to look into this a little more.

No special interests? moveon.org
No lobbyist? Big ethanol

Maybe you should take a deeper look into you candidate for "change"

Obama did take a $200 donation from Bill Ayers as well.

Where did he come from, why is he here, where is the money coming from and who bought him.

Do you ask these same questions and demand answers of all political candidates? Did you say the same about Bush?

Sorry, but I can't blindly follow an unknown just because he is an orator and can speak the words.

No one is asking you to, however those two specific qualities are what makes the difference between a respected leader and a buffoon that no one takes seriously.

His wife said this was the first time she has ever been proud of her country. Sounds suspicious to me.

What has this country done in the past 30 years that makes you proud? Actually, excluding the Apollo program, what has this country done in the past 50 years that makes you proud? Or are you just a blind flag waver?

They attended, with their children, the church of a radical, anti American Religious man for 20 years.

Actually what that man said was the uncomfortable truth. Being anti-establishment, anti-capitialist is in no way, shape or form anti-American.

I am not a Republican. I am an American that cares deeply for my country. I want the people to take back the Government and not let the likes of Obama and McCain take it.

Libertarian, right?

Obama is no "wonder boy" and it is time to stop presenting him as such.

Actually, he is a "wonder boy" that's the attraction. He hasn't been poisoned by the political process, has the intelligence and charm to be a natural leader in every sense of the word.

He has no track record and there is nothing buy pretty words. Be real. Wake up. Grow up.

America desperately needs a real leader, not a politician or some whack job pushing their narrow agenda onto everyone else.

If you want to question that he is too good to be true, then great. Those questions certainly need to asked and investigated. But don't dismiss his potential by just dismissing him based on nothing.

justsaynodeal.com

OH, Please! You are regurgitating the Druggie Limbaugh drivel. Bette. If you do not know anything about what Obama stands for, it is because you have not listened to his speeches and interviews. It is because you are too lazy to do your own research. Obama is a very intelligent man, who is willing to put that intelligence to work for the American people. He has never claimed to be perfect. He has never claimed that he can make your life easy and perfect. He will hot be able to do everything that he proposes to do, no president ever has. That is why we have a congress and a judiciary to check and balance the executive.
The Republicans do not believe in our system of government. They have done their best to corrupt the other two branches of government to be mere echos of the executive branch. Their system is other wise known as a dictatorship.

oldguru, the Dems believe in regulating everything, which is closer to socialism then the republicans.

Why won't they deregulate oil?

Because they are smart enough to see what the deregulation of the banking industry has done. Deregulation is the go-ahead for the unscrupulous and the greedy to manipulate the system. It has always been so. It is reality. You don't even play football or tennis without rules.

"Tell me that anyone who had been treated that way, as a 2nd class citizen, would not have the right to be angry about it."

Angry and vindictive are not the same thing. Believing that those times still exist is not being angry about things long past. Wright is like the soldier who goes to war, comes home and then still thinks he's in a battle zone and ends up thinking that everyone around him is the enemy. Out of nine of his sermons I listened to, four have actually been fairly normal. Five, however, would have driven me out of the church if I had ever tried to attend in person, and two of those were undeniably extremely racist. For being so against the way blacks were treated in the past, he sure seems to feel that it would be ok if whites were treated that way now, because they are apparently an inferior species and always have been, even before the time of slavery. Morality doesn't seem to exist in his church for at least half the time, unless I just happened to catch him on five bad days out of nine that I listened to.

Oldguru, Banking industry? You may want to look into the correlation of the current banking problem and the Clinton administration.

I am a registered independent I am am NOT voting for an inexperienced senator who has the ability to inspire

But your ability to copy & paste the same thing over and over again makes you seem like you have your stuff together.

Hopeful....It's your group that gave us GW. Sorry...we wont let it happen again.

Here's one for you...1% of people in the country control 34% of the wealth. The bottom 40% of people control 1% of the wealth. Yeah, the wealthy need more tax breaks. You go whine and cry when your kind is swamped in November.

I feel bad for the good people who are republicans and were duped by your kind. The country may now lean further to the left than my liking, but it was your kind of meanness that drove us to the point that our government is despised by those we need to help us in a global effort. You and Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove...your all a bunch of power hungry elitists who think you can bum rush your way over the American people and the Constitution. Well it's time to take your medicine. So stop your crying.

"Hopeful American,"

Don't take this the wrong way, but on a scale from one to 10, you're an idiot. Maybe you should call yourself "Greedy Mean-Spirited American." You know, it really is true that a spoiled kid who won't share anything is called a brat, but a spoiled adult who won't share anything is called a "conservative." By what stretch of your limited imagination is Obama a "socialist?" He's still way to the right of most Europeans, and about where classic moderate Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller were politically. And where do you get ridiculous figures like "the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the taxes?" Is that one of those 47% of statistics that are made up right on the spot? The fact is that the vast bulk of America's tax burden is borne by the middle class, which has been under nearly continuous attack since Reagan decided that personal welfare is wrong but corporate welfare is perfectly OK. And I've got news for you: people are already getting laid off because the greedy corporations who long ago stopped paying their fare share of taxes now ship their operations overseas to get more tax breaks and cheap labor.

Obama believes that everyone should pay his fair share. You obviously believe that, "What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine." I hope that YOU never become disabled and need government help -- it might wreck your whole world view. Of course, Rush Limbaugh became a drug addict, and despite going through recovery, he's still a colossal moron.

More millionaires were created in the last 10 years then any other time.

As well as record numbers of homeowners, including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Also, our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the 90's.

Kevin-D -

There is nothing mean about expecting people to take care of themselves. Why do you care if 1% of the people control 34% of the wealth? Guess that means that 1% of the people are hard-working, success driven people. No matter how they got it, it's not up to you or anyone else to take it away.

And for those at the bottom - well, there's a reason they are at the bottom! Redistribution of wealth is socialism and a pathetic excuse for a lot of lazy people.

You are living in the wrong country! You are a true socialist - probably working a $15.00 an hour job expecting to support a family on it. Maybe you should attain for more on your own instead of expecting your hard working neighbor to give you something!

Better yet . . . move to France! They love your kind over there. Misery loves company! Nobody admits the truth - they don't dislike us because we are mean . . . they dislike us because we have everything they want.

Your ignorance of Europe is deep and wide.

"Here's one for you...1% of people in the country control 34% of the wealth. The bottom 40% of people control 1% of the wealth." Which is why trying to take heavy handed from that 1% is an absolutely ridiculous action during a poor economic time, because that redistribution leads to a push to reintegrate that 34% back into the upper class, which means increased costs but not just for those who received help, but for everyone else as well, which increases the poverty rate and requires yet another attempt to lower the percentage, which drops the poor lower and takes the middle class along for the ride.
Those very numbers you stated are the EXACT reason why Obama's Robin Hood policies can not be implemented without hurting all of us. You have to support a boost within that 34%, increase profit percentages and then only take the increased percentages so that they still maintain that same steady 34% without that 34% being worth less. If a company sees a 10% profit, help boost it to 12% and then use the additional 2% to hold costs steady for the poor and middle class while allowing that 2% to go towards actually helping them. Take 2% when there's no boost and that 2% loss reflects back to the poor and middle class negatively. Your own stated numbers, those numbers provide the very reason that Obama cannot have his economic policies implemented, you cannot take from 1% of the population who controls the majority of funds when there's no boost to go along with it and not even expect it to affect the 99% remaining population negatively. Common sense here, and the numbers themselves show why.
Here's the most basic common sense idea...boost business growth and use that boost to support the poor and middle class, which increases spending which boosts business further, which positively impacts costs even more which further helps the poor and middle class. With the numbers you yourself stated, why on earth would we want to do the opposite and follow Obama's suggestions which hurt the poor and middle class?

Such a concentration of wealth controlled by so few is unhealthy for the economy. The portion of wealth controlled by the top one percent has increased dramatically at a time when the economies indicators have decreased.

If you believe the health of the economy has improved you are wrong.

Hopeful...I do just fine thank you.

"Concentration of wealth controlled by so few is unhealthy for the economy"? Well, then maybe those that don't have wealth ought to do something about it. Get a better job, further their education, further their training, start a business. What you are saying is only a few have the gumption to do it. Well, they don't owe anything to those that don't have the same perseverance!

Of course Europe loves him. He's a socialist who wants to help the useless lazy slobs that don't want to do anything for themselves

Helping people has never been a bad thing. Jesus thought it was good, Dr. King thought it was good, Mother Teresa thought it was good.

"Concentration of wealth controlled by so few is unhealthy for the economy"? Well, then maybe those that don't have wealth ought to do something about it. Get a better job, further their education, further their training, start a business. What you are saying is only a few have the gumption to do it. Well, they don't owe anything to those that don't have the same perseverance!

You have to have money to get an eduction, further training and to start a business. Also money is needed for child care. And damn those bills need money too. Just because some people aren't wealthy, doesn't mean they aren't hard workers.

If you know the way to get past these social problems, please get off of the computer and go do some speeches and help end poverty.

"Hopeful"American,

This is for you and others likeminded: If and when your turn comes, and the Vultures circle around you to get everything you got , and no savings be enough to satisfy their greed, then you'll play another tune.... And all it takes is one misfortune or catastrophic happening.... You people ought to be very careful not to be cynical and sarcastic about people who are struggling. I assume some of you are upstanding, well liked citizens, even regular church goers.. Now, have you read how God's anger was kindled against those who oppressed the poor, who withheld just wages from the laborers, and got wealthy by defrauding others? This is exactly what is happening now and even more increasingly, and you are siding with the vultures. This administration has given them more freedom to ravage and leach the middle class then any other. And they can call themselves conservatives, and moral , but they are the traitors to American working class, and traitors to this country, because for the profits of few they let it go to the dogs! But what goes around, comes around, and if it keeps going on, it'll spin itself downward faster then gravity speed only to crash into rubble!

I came from a poor family- one of 7 children-dropped out of HS -had 2 children-widowed at 25-put myself thru college and now own a farm-full time job and money in bank. Obama's socialist policies don't appeal to me in the least. To all the whiners out there-get off your backs and don't expect me to help support you and your 4 illegitimate children and pay your child care and college tuition bill. If I can do it with hard work so can anyone else==quit expecting the government dole all your life.

StormAz100,

You only need to read the posts on this discussion to understand what is going on. They are all about slamming Obama and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the upside of McCain. Every headline that comes out you will see the same people with the same negative posting. You don't need to worry or even respond to their post because these are agenda people. I trust the people of this Country enough that they too will see through this style of discussions. It's like playing poker and one player has a 7 and a 2 in the hole and his opponent has a pair of aces. The only hope the player with the 7 and 2 has is to bluff and hope the other player believes he has more and folds.

This is just too ridiculous....

Again, I can't stand Obama, but HELLO!

Condi Rice and Colin Powell were nothing but puppets for the Bush Regime. They fell in line with everything W wanted. Powell put his name and reputation on the line despite knowing better to go to war with Iraq. He KNEW the evidence they had was at best, shaky. He knew that his testimony would resound with the international community and give it (the premise for going to war)credence.

In both these cases, experience means sh*t.

you say rice and powell are more qualified to be president.that may be true but the power brokers of the gop won,t put a black on the top of the ticket.and who will those blue collar whites vote for?hell powell,s wife was scared those same blue collar whites might shoot her husband if he ran for president. but condi can,t win ,she is too tied up with gwb. and powell won,t run because his wife does not trust white folks not to shoot her husband

Check a legitimate news source. Obama was prohibited from visiting with the troops in Germany by the State Department, lest he use it as a "photo-op" a la GWB.

When they find someone that makes more sense. Obviously you don't.

Jack, Limbaugh is successful for a reason. People are sick and tired of the liberal media throwing garbage down our throats. Look at the NYT's they are struggling. Limbaugh doing good. Why? People have spoken.

Rush was right!!

If you really believe that Rush Limbaugh makes sense, then you are hopelessly stupid.

Oldguru, Why does he have the most popular radio show in the US? Is everyone that listens to it, not a s smart as you? I Doubt that. It's just everyone isn't a socialists like you.

Rush has continually said there is no such thing as global warming or that it would benifit us. There are people who believe this stuff and more. Rush abused drugs, bought illegal drugs, and his fans stayed with him even though he would have thrown anyone else to the dogs for what he did. People followed Hitler as well.

mexed, you do know that Al Gores movie in other coutries is shown with a disclaimer starting the fals hoods of his movie. With that said, you probaly should read more on the global warming, and when I mean more, non liberal media sources.

Rush Limbaugh?! Any of you who listens to that sicko, you're just telling on yourself!!! Any person with any dignity , morals or any human conscience left in him/her could not give that man 5 minutes of their time!!! He'll meet his Maker one day, he sure will!!!

justsaynodeal.com

Did McCain visit Czechoslovakia...or was it the Iraq-Pakistan border area?

Neither...he's pretty much just been campaigning in America's " 57 States ".

I'm still googling around...looking for Obama's other seven !!!

Really Tony?...you know how to google? McCain thinks it's what you do with mouthwash!

And they will be happy to spit on your burger for you...

You got a pretty high opinion of yourself there, Bette. I doubt it is merited.

jamesB-370103 You sure hit the nail on the head with your Nobama comments.
Nice to know their are still people out there who can see thru Nobama's lies. Now he is being called a Poster Boy. I guess people are only voting for him because of his poster boy image because he sure doesn't have anything else going for him. All fluff with no substance.